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@dayuhan19945 years ago Women need to go to jail for false claims and slander that’s false & illegitimate 1010
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@jgt93385 years ago If you get drunk and file your taxes is that tax fraud? 905
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@luvisleo55505 years ago You shouldn’t lose your job for expressing a valid opinion 712
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@626Pennywise5 years ago I told my girlfriend, now fiancée, don't go to PiKE frat parties. It wasn't victim blaming, two years before the cops busted them with 75 gallons of pre-drugged alcohol.
I've never understood how giving advice like this is victim blaming. ... 100
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@IndicaDreaming8 years ago When I was 20 I was kicked out of college because a girl said I tried to break into the shower and sexually assault her. I had other females who lived in the same dorm as me defend me and say that it didn't happen but they were told it was 'none of their business' and when they couldn't actually find any proof they told me 'you're a big guy, you are intimidating' and I was kicked off... Just like that... Her word against mine, with people actually defending me who lived with myself and the person who accused me... But no, because I'm a 'big guy' and 'could have' assaulted this girl if I wanted to, then I must have! But only women are victims of course!!! ... 1607
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@palaceofwisdom94489 years ago No one calls it "victim blaming" if you tell a child not to talk to strangers, or when you tell loved ones to drive safe at the end of a gathering. If you tell women not to get blackout drunk, you're calling for women to be RESPONSIBLE for themselves, and that's a concept feminists will fight tooth and nail. Responsibility is only supposed to apply to men. ... 828
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@Myunsolicitedthoughts5 years ago I ain’t no genius but if you remember to text your friend and make sure the guy doesn’t forget the condom how drunk are you really...... 216
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@floivanus5 years ago Women drink and can’t consent to sex.
But somehow get convicted of DUI...
So they can make (bad) choices when drunk? 405
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@pitpotdeeerste8 years ago Funny how ppl fear losing their jobs for expressing their opinions. 848
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@hdjones899 years ago I wanna know what happens when 2 drunk chicks hook-up. 1205
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@dominicquadrini38825 years ago I should be able to walk down the back alleys of Harlem at 3 am and not get mugged. If I do get shot, it’s not my fault.
Wise advice: Don’t walk down the back alleys of Harlem at 3 am.
How DARE you. ... 85
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@andreaharper88705 years ago The last statement is such a good one and I'm going to start using it.
If a female cant consist to having sex how can she be responsible for driving while drunk. 106
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@jamie.t.k.hulinjr40619 years ago I had a girl try that bullshit with me when she discovered her boyfriend ( which I didn't know she had) found out about her and I getting together. Talk about put me in an awkward position . People at school were like dude did u hear what she is saying ?!! I WAS PISSED!! She flat out lied and I almost got in trouble. Thankfully texting and the time and date shown on the text proved my innocence . Guys, watch out cause there are some girls out there that don't give a rats ass if they get u in trouble or not. As long as they can save their reputation or relationship. Not all but some girls will LIE! ... 233
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@oldmoviemusic9 years ago I am a woman, and I am an equalist.
Come on men and women, band together for TRUE equality. You won't find it in feminism. 1837
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@quinnmoore59856 years ago I carry a breathalyzer and take a pic of her holding the results immediately after getting her verbal consent 145
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@jonathanmcculley37288 years ago Ive had sex while buzzed and I've had sex while I was pretty drunk. It was not rape because even in that state I can consent. The same for women. Regret the next day is not the same as rape. 214
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@TheToledoTrumpton9 years ago So let me get this straight.
A female student can have 1 beer, go round to a male student's house, take off her clothes, lie on the floor with her legs open, begging him to have sex with her. Then when the deed is over stand up and accuse him of rape.
And he will be expelled no questions asked?
Or have I missed something? ... 347
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@evalovestolove65915 years ago It's almost like "society" wants everyone to be gay or something. Make men afraid to pursue women which ends up leaving a lot of bitter angry women who just want a nice guy. 68
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@AyngeMackay5 years ago As a chick, this pisses me off. The female should have suffered the same punishment. It's crazy. 65
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@nerofl899 years ago While I agree with Mr. Russell's sentiments, he is confusing up and down (authoritarian and libertarian respectively) with left and right (progressives and conservatives respectively). It's not conservative to use the state to enforce your ethics, it is authoritarian to use the state to impose your ethics, regardless if it the left or right. ... 135
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@Neanderthalcouzin8 years ago So if I get drunk, then drive and get in an accident--can I charge the other driver for assault? 1235
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@jecitivaz30975 years ago I remember going to freshman orientation and being explained to that if a guy has sex with a girl and their both drunk, the guy can go to jail. I never agreed with that and I said "you could just not drink" and I was just looked at in a dirty way and ignored. ... 53
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@graymatters75845 years ago Brilliant discussion, as usual. So glad I missed all of this nonsense. I hate to say it, but it's my generation that raised these infantile youngsters who can't take responsibility for their poor decisions.
If you give young women the power to destroy young men, an alarming number of them are going to use it. Why? Because they can. I know many young men, and none of them is sexually active as a result of this nonsense. And I don't blame them. So then I read articles which shame young men for having less sex than previous generations. They're being called "losers" for simply not knowing how to navigate this insane culture. They can't win. Better to just retreat into video games and internet porn. This is progress? ... 116
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@OlinScharm958 years ago That's why I always drink alone... 432
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@spencerjones84109 years ago There is no tough question about this.... If you accuse someone of a crime it is not their responsibility to prove they didn't do it. i.e. innocent until proven guilty... if there is no evidence then the person walks period!!!!! thats how THE LAW WORKS THE LACK OF EVIDENCE IS THE EVIDENCE THAT THE EVENT DIDNT OCCUR!!!!! ... 361
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@jamesolivito43745 years ago It would be amazing if people in authority were held accountable at the same standard as the general public. 13
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@kenbrickman24795 years ago "Frat house" is an easy out, but "party" would be just as accurate. I do appreciate the stigma though bc that is now fraternities have chosen to step up and, practically, hold themselves accountable to provide safe environments. ... 6
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@Arai5038 years ago Feminism: Equal rights; unequal responsibility. 285
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@majesticlongpubes24379 years ago At this point I'm afraid that my right hand will charge me with rape. 100
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@HereIsWisdom13185 years ago -–Wow! Good point by Joe. Never thought about it like that! 5
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@larpos61498 years ago You guys want to play the Rape game? No?
THAT'S THE SPIRIT 222
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@reality95968 years ago I dont see any feminists against Islam 607
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@gingernaut25505 years ago That drunk wrestling = assault comparison was amazing 😂🤣 4
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@codymavick90687 years ago The driving part at the end is a great example/counter point.
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@entertain7us1488 years ago There's a difference between victim-blaming and taking reasonable precautions in proven dangerous situations. 36
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@Fumpage8 years ago Teaching women to defend themselves and avoid situations where they might get raped isn't exactly victim blaming, telling an actual rape victim that they should have been more responsible/shouldn't have drank so much/were leading the guy on is. Some hardline feminists would say I'm wrong about the first part, some anti-feminists/police/judges will say I'm wrong about the second. ... 101
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@captassassin56806 years ago Joe made 100% absolute sense with the drinking and driving analogy at the end! 3
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@philrigby23624 years ago Very good point made RIGHT at the end, regarding being held responsible when you drive drunk, but not sex..... 1
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@Nodrog6669 years ago I used to get drunk in college and wrestle with my friends all the time. Who knew I was committing assault? : P 26
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@powermasterjazz9 years ago Beer ad: "Drink Responsibly"
Femmes: "TRIGGERED" 39
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@UsandEveryoneWeKnow5 years ago I know so many women who have been raped, mainly whilst unconscious. I stopped drinking because of it, sad that there are some people out there that are into that. However in no way should feminism be about wanting men to suffer, wanting that inequality kinda weakens the whole argument. ... 4
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@47Str87 years ago I once refused to have sex with a very drunk co-ed. The next day she told the entire fraternity that they were living with a confirmed homosexual. You simply can't win... 3
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@SgtEaglefort8 years ago I like that last bit. When you drive drunk, you're responsible but when you have drunk sex, you're not. 147
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@andreasbauer2238 years ago Dude if getting drunk, having sex, and regreting it the next day is rape then I'd be fuckinh rich. 10
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@Floandrews3 years ago Not only do situations like this take away all chemistry between men and women. I cannot think of a bigger turn off as a woman than a man asking for consent before everything he does and then checking in mid sex to check in still consenting... surely men KNOW when they’re doing something wrong. Read the vibe, read the body language... if you both wanna get it on then get it on. But also, as both a rape victim and sexual assault victim , these stories diminish sexual assault so much that rape and assault victims are no longer taken seriously. Regretting what was at the time consensual sex the next day, is not assault. Having said that... I do believe it’s rape if a woman or man is drunk to the point of clearly not being able to consent and the assaulted is clear headed enough to know what they’re doing. ... 2
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@QueenSoap5 years ago I agree with parts of what Joe is saying, but there are different levels of being drunk which complicates this topic. Unfortunately young people in college may not yet know their limits. Most adults who've been drinking for a long time know what they can handle. There's a difference between being tipsy and being blackout drunk. If a woman can barely move or hold herself up and you can still walk...you should not be trying to have sex with that girl. If you're the same level as drunk as the person...that brings in other complications. Also...sometimes it's not so obvious that a person is blackout drunk because they're functioning pretty well. The reality is drinking (when you're young) complicates things for everyone involved. Part of the solution is perhaps teaching young people how to drink responsibly. We're so caught up on telling people not to drink until they're 21, but the reality is people are going to do it and the same way we've pushed people to have safe sex if they're going to do it...we need to do the same with drinking. When I was in college, I met these girls who told me that when they go out that they plan on getting "black-out" drunk which sounded insane to me. Both young men and young women need to understand that if they choose to drink to a point of being completely out of control then the night might end really badly for both people involved...this is not victim blaming, but we need to encourage people to make better decisions. ... 5
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@SPL-69 years ago State micro managing sex life is not conservative. 63
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@Craxin018 years ago As a liberal, I'd like to point out that he keeps using the word conservative when he means authoritarian. The two words aren't necessarily synonymous. 31
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@spideylover41055 years ago Here's the other thing- most schools employ a powerful legal team so even if you want/can afford legal representation most attorneys don't even want to bother with it. How do I know? Pursued legal action against my uni and had to go through FIVE different law firms before finding one to take my case. ...
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@nickjohnston28045 years ago One of the big things I took away from this. Is the fear he had to even speak about this subject. 6
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@OceanbornAngel9 years ago Moral of the story I got out of this is don't get drunk, ever whether you are a guy or a girl. Words I've lived by my whole life because when drunk you are not in your right mind to make decisions and I don't like not having the ability to make clear decisions. ... 3
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@kevinblankenship24148 years ago guys on campus.... hide a video recorder and get the girl saying that she is ok with whats about to happen. and keep that tape for the bullshit the next day. 16
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@gunchief08115 years ago What's that show? That 70s show??
"DUMBASS"!!!!! best quote ever.. 4
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@magicsteve55234 years ago my advice to anyone is NEVER get black out drunk EVER! I’ve been there it’s not fun. 4
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@GoDrex9 years ago my advice to young men today: avoid females, especially ones that drink. don't have sex in college - focus on your future. 23
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@AutomaticDuck3008 years ago I just don't drink or have sex, it makes my life ten times easier. 299
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@BWater-yq3jx5 years ago The trouble is there's a continuum, as Joe says. But how do you pick the point at which 'warm & fuzzy' changes to 'not responsible for your actions'?
The only solution, as I see it, is to stop drinking at the point where you're still in control.
And I would also apply this to other cases where people use being drunk as an 'out': At some point they made the choice to keep drinking - knowing they would start losing control of themselves. ...
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@charlescarew11256 years ago Wow I'm so late to the party. I just found your podcast Joe. Awesomeness
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@royromano97929 years ago I was in the navy for four years and one time my ship got briefed on this by a feminist.
I raised my hand and asked her, "What if both parties were drunk?" because in the military it is already illegal to have sex while drunk. The feminist was silent, looked at me, and started crying her eyes out. Then everyone looked at me like I was some kind of fuck up. I swear this happened. ... 4
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@twinktoiletsbestfriendsmomscan4 years ago Best point in this entire video was the very last one. 2
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@Kira1Lawliet5 years ago One of things that piss me off most is that good, sensible advice has now been relegated to "victim blaming". "Don't get blackout drunk at a party", "Don't wear overly revealing clothes", "Don't act overly flirty if you have no intention of sexually engaging anyone" are all considered victim blaming, even though each of these examples is simply good advice to avoid getting yourself into these situations where you make yourself vulnerable to rape. Nobody gets offended when people suggest you carry a weapon with you when you walk through a dark, abandoned alley at night—nobody says that's blaming people who get robbed. It's just common sense. Feminists and other people need to stop calling sexism or victim blaming on these kinds of comments. There ARE things you can and should do to prevent yourself from getting harrassed, even if what might happen isn't necessarily your fault. ... 1
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@DollyEstrada9 years ago Poor Thaddeus had that face the first couple of minutes like he wasn't sure the feminist backlash was going to be worth it lol I'm glad he pushed through. 89
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@glortor42847 years ago Rape is not a culture, it's a crime. 101
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@lostinthegarden796 years ago I remember this dude from his last appearance on jre.. back then he was talking straight nonsense. They had a huge argument about wether or not biological sex is a thing... it seems as if he's gotten a little more informed since that appearance. Good on him ... 3
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@HerrMahnMahRez5 years ago 15 "A single witness shall not suffice against a person for any crime for any wrong in connection with any offense that he has committed. Only on the evidence of two witnesses or of three witnesses shall a charge be established.
16 If a malicious witness arises to accuse a person of wrongdoing,
17 then both parties to the dispute shall appear before the LORD, before the priests and the judges who are in office in those days.
18 The judges shall inquire diligently, and if the witness is a false witness and has accused his brother falsely,
19 then you shall do to him as he had meant to do to his brother. So you shall purge the evil from your midst.
20 And the rest shall hear and fear, and shall never again commit any such evil among you. - Deuteronomy -20 ... 4
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@stevencalkum91288 years ago saying that the state imposing itself inside personal relationships is a conservative action is ridiculous. Conservative principles demand free agency, free will and personal responsibility. Progressivism/liberalism require that the state or some government agency come in to rescue the helpless minority citizens from any trace of personal responsibility or consequences for their actions. ... 87
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@billyblunder65338 years ago The guy should of flipped the script and said since he was drunk she raped him. I wonder what the response from the school would be from that 11
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@rycoatney7 years ago Good conversation to be having, thank you.
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@aikaterineillt98767 years ago Men should be expected to set boundaries and respect anyone they want to get involved with on any level just as much as women should be expected to keep themselves safe and in a state of mind that increases that safety net of rationale.
And men should not be succumbing to alcohol to alter their decision making just as much as women should.
It's a two way street when it comes to two relatively ethical human beings.
But when you throw in a predator into the mix, the fault shifts onto that predatory monster who knows exactly what they are doing. And even if the woman (or man) put themselves into a position of frailty, no blame should be set upon them. A person should be able to get drunk wherever, whenever, (as long as they aren't driving or in a position to harm anyone else) without worrying about getting raped or taken advantage of.
Also last time I checked, men weren't bears. Poor analogy. Literally sounds like you are promoting the more severe feminist agenda with that one. You want to be treated equally, and not demonized....Don't compare yourself to animals with no idea of right or wrong.
Oh And rapists and those who commit sexual assault ARE bad people.
They are monsters.
Go ahead, let anyone tell them so.
Sure that shouldn't be the main focus (main focus should be preventing this type of thing in the first place) but it's not irrelevant.
Besides all that,
I honestly don't know why colleges/universities are still permitted to handle these issues on their own. It should be a police matter. An outsider looking in.
Colleges failed women by being in charge of how assault accusations were handled, and now they are failing some men as well by still trying their hands at this issue.
They don't know what the fuck they are doing. I don't think they ever will. ... 40
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@A1Authority8 years ago to the end: ONE OF THE BEST points Joe has ever demonstrated. Good point. Dead on. -DW 9
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@charlesvan139 years ago "To save our inferiors is the essence of old school conservatism, to the bone."
That's actually a pretty close characterization of progressives and SJWs. 17
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@fabiangonzalez5665 years ago What is the name of the video that Joe Rogan talked about with apologetic men? 3
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@LisenToLevel5 years ago "people are people regardless of gender, people are people regardless of anything" Andrew Jackson Jihad 2
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@skillcosby30959 years ago "Feminism, it takes agency away from women". Bingo, and thats the entire point of modern feminism. 4
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@akersk35 years ago that’s literally what that taught during orientation for college. they had a whole play/musical and everything ‘if you’re drunk you can’t consent.
>also in indiana (marion county, indianapolis at least) when men go into prison, they are tested for HIV but not when they leave 🤷🏼‍♀️ ...
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@greghill1186 years ago To make it a left or right issue kind of makes you look uncredible 4
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@ObservableFiction9 years ago that's a really good point 4
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@ejr77336 years ago As a male in college I am very scared about shit like this case. I’m worried that one night I might hook up with a girl and that girl might be the one crazy who calls it assault, even though I would never take advantage of a girl who’s more drunk than myself. And trust me when I say that I’ve had the opportunity and I’ve always been the type of person to help drunk friends and not take advantage of them ... 1
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@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y5 years ago I remember a Bored Panda post about the weapons women carry when jogging early in the morning, late at night, or when hiking. Apparently it's empowering to do these things alone. Tell that to the guy who had to cut off his own hand after a rock fell on it. ... 2
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@user-cc4kq6hl4c9 years ago Drunk sex isn't rape, passed out sex is rape,. 4
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@DrMX55 years ago I just got my first rape kit from eBay and I'm furious..... It didn't even include a roll of duck tape 25
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@GinaSigillito7 years ago Exactly. Really thoughtful discussion about something I've been saying for awhile now. This brand of feminism does not reflect what many feminists believe about equality.
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@frankiecrook6485 years ago Not always, but drunk words and actions are sober thoughts 5
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@adwe99125 years ago Equality.... except when it doesn’t serve my interests. The one with best position is apprehensive look at women in family court in America. Women are silent. They have best position. 3
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@KydoimosOfMachai6 years ago What is the video they mentioned? Does anyone know?
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@mz35335 years ago Drunk driving youre responsible but drunk sex isn't your fault if youre a women?! What a good point Joe just made this should be showed to every feminist on the planet to prove the weakness of they're entire argument good on u Joe ... 1
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@thefloridaman419 years ago It's "authoritarian" not "concervativate" sir. 23
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@Jimothythe2ndlast year There really should be a conversation about alcohol and sexual assault. It's estimated that anywhere from 50-90% of sexual assaults happen while one or both parties are under the influence.
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@codeblue89225 years ago
I just pictured the Tootsie Pop Owl sitting in a tree going, “How many drinks does it take to get to the center of a rape? .. One?... Two?... Threee?...... “ ...
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@WalterKhayyam8 years ago How Thaddeus Russell defines conservatism is just so flawed. 23
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@philliptrahan31735 years ago Dear Joe hey from Phil just like to let you know that we've got love hate relationship going on that you don't even know you are in yet. I enjoy watching your videos and flipping back and forth between agreeing and disagreeing. You seem to really make people think so that is a good thing, keep up the good work bro. 👍 ... 4
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@tiopira55 years ago i would of definitely ran from a bear before this lol 2
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@justinpease78285 years ago Here's how you fix it! Do what I've done. Get married, then your just forced to NEVER have sex again!! You'll just cry yourself to sleep every night... 2